To dearest CFI and 'the secular movement'

Jul 05 2011 Published by under Uncategorized

It's hard to take any of you seriously as intellectual activists when you indulge in high school bullshit. You should lobby the Science Channel for a reality show. For realsies.

Links via John and ERV. Very, very entertaining, particularly the post that starts: "Dear Rebecca, Fuck you."

6 responses so far

  • becca says:

    It doesn't do to take these things too seriously if you don't have a *need* to.

    Some of this is, as you put it, 'high school bullshit'. Group affiliation dynamics just play out that way.
    Some of it reminds me a great deal of what happens in feminism activist circles when the issue of white privilege comes up. There are, underneath the dramu, some real issues of scope-of-mission. And real people get hurt when people that agree with them on the importance of some high-minded value turn out to be total douchecanoes on other issues.

  • jeremy says:

    It's great fun to watch as it develops, particularly the staggered finger wagging from the Skeptic Hero Heavyweights. The most interesting thing about these tight. pointed intellectual/activist circles that's mostly missing among other, less "serious" groups is the process by which molehill becomes mountain in a community where a large portion of the members are socially inept by varying degrees. It snowballs into long "Defense of..." essays threading theory and circumstance, when a simple 'go fuck yourself' is probably sufficient.

    Banality begets banality, no matter how they dress it up with words.

  • drugmonkey says:

    Are you trying for meta with that comment?

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  • ERV says:

    ...high school bullshit...
    While its the kids who have handled this the best (the undergrads at the CFI leadership conference).

    I love irony!! *happy prospector dance*

  • jeremy says:

    Yeah, I agree. I liked the 'fuck you' post mainly because I think it's good for people involved in activism to go through that early, finding that apathy that results from BS like this and sitting with it a while. It tempers enthusiasm, which is often a barrier to accepting the whole picture.